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This was an arbitrary decision because we needed a cut-off.
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If a patient has surgery for example 3 days ago and developes a respiratory arrest secondary to narcotics given for pain wouldn't the surgery be a casual relationship? Wouldn't you code the surgery even if it was more than 24 hours ago?
If a patient has surgery for example 3 days ago and developes a respiratory arrest secondary to narcotics given for pain wouldn't the surgery be a casual relationship? Wouldn't you code the surgery even if it was more than 24 hours ago?



Revision as of 10:38, 2018 October 22

This page explains when a CCI Procedure that is part of CCI Collection would be coded with Px Type Admit. The instructions are the same for medicine an critical care. The other option for type is Acquired Procedure.

Collection Instructions

  • Code a procedure as Px_Type admit if it was:
    • (a) Performed within 24 hrs BEFORE the Arrive DtTm AND
    • (b) Was causally related to the admission -- this is a judgement call, see section and examples below

Causally related

  • It won't always be so clear if a procedure is related to the admission, and you may have to use your judgement.
  • VERY IMPORANT DISTICTION: A procedure that simply identified the presence of a problem should not be considered to have caused the problem, and so should not be put into this category.
  • While causally-related procedures will usually be invasive procedures, they do not NEED to be -- e.g. if a person is admitted for expressly Isolation, infectious, this could be in this bin.
  • And on occasion, even a diagnostic procedure could be causative --- e.g. a contrast-enhanced X-ray where the contrast caused anaphylaxis that led to ICU admission. But this kind of example is the only kind of situation in which a non-invasive diagnostic procedure should be in this bin. So, things we count, such as CXRs and blood gases, would NOT be in this bin, unless somehow they actually CAUSED a problem that led to admission (e.g. blood gas puncture injured the artery, leading to a huge bleed for which they went to ICU).
example of causally related procedures   
  • If a patient on the From ward/unit gets a bedside debridement, during which he/she begins to hemorrhage profusely and is then transferred to the To acute ward/unit because of that hemorrhage, then code that procedure, as Px_Type = Admit.
  • Even diagnostic procedures can be causally related to an admission, if a complication occurred:
    • a contrast CT that led to contrast-induced anaphylaxis that was the reason for admission
    • a diagnostic upper endoscopy that caused an esophageal perforation that was the reason for admission.
example of procedure not causally related   
  • If a patient on the From ward/unit gets a bedside debridement which went well, and 10 minutes later develops respiratory distress and goes to a more acute To ward/unit because of that respiratory distress, then do not code that debridement at all for the To acute ward/unit because it does not seem to be related to the admission to the To ward/unit.

These instructions would imply that a patient who had a scope and banding/clipping down in ER for their GI bleed, should not be coded. I would think that we would want to capture an intervention if it treated the reason for admission?Mlagadi 10:18, 2018 October 18 (CDT)

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Moved patients

A procedure might be coded as an acquired on one ward and an admit on the next - the same as above applies.

example of procedures for moved patient   
  • Example: On Medicine ward patient got bedside debridement (so of course that procedure would be coded for that ward) and then began to hemorrhage which led to ICU transfer. In this case the debridement was closely associated with the admission to ICU and so would be coded as an "admit" procedure for the ICU record.
  • Example: On the other hand, if the ward patient got a bedside skin biopsy shortly before transfer to ICU, and the ICU transfer had nothing to do with the skin biopsy, then you would NOT record the biopsy in the ICU record.

Why within 24 hrs?

This was an arbitrary decision because we needed a cut-off.

Template:Discussion If a patient has surgery for example 3 days ago and developes a respiratory arrest secondary to narcotics given for pain wouldn't the surgery be a casual relationship? Wouldn't you code the surgery even if it was more than 24 hours ago?

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