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| ACP C stands for Advanced Care Plan. C = Comfort Care-Goals of Care and interventions are directed at maximal comfort, symptom control and maintenance of quality of life excluding | | ACP-C stands for Advanced Care Plan - Comfort Care. Goals of Care and interventions are directed at maximal comfort, symptom control and maintenance of quality of life excluding attempted resuscitation. '''We do not directly collect whether a patient has an ACP-C. ''' |
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| For more information see: PDF of ACP form used in Region (2013): [[Media:WRHA ACP form Nov 2013.pdf | WRHA Advanced Care Plan Form]]
| | We collect related information in tmp project [[Comfort Care]]. |
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| In terms of our program, the concept is related to [[:Category:End-of-life related data | end of life data]].
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| == see also ==
| | The concept is related to some other [[:Category:End-of-life related data | end of life data]] we collect. |
| *[http://www.wrha.mb.ca/professionals/acp/index.php WRHA ACP C]
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| == Discussion ==
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| QI TEAM, Kendiss Olafson etc. have asked if database team could collect ACP status at admission.[[User:TOstryzniuk|Trish Ostryzniuk]] 17:12, 2015 May 29 (CDT)
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| *ACP C
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| *ACP UK (no documented ACP on the chart)
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| *ACP R
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| *ACP M+ (no cardiac resuss but accepting intubation)
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| *ACP M- (no resuss/no intubation)
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| **(If ACP M is just written with no qualifiers then one would classify as ACP M-. Since a significant proportion of patient do want intubation but do not want CPR, I do think it is useful to distinguish). Kendiss.
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| *Collecting ACP status at admission and discharge would allow us to follow:
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| **-% of patient with documented ACP during ICU
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| **-Level of care at both admission and discharge
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| **-% of patients with change in level of care during ICU
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| **-Level of care at the time of ICU death
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| ==question for collectors==
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| {{Discussion}}{{discuss@task}}
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| is this easy info to get at admission?--[[User:TOstryzniuk|Trish Ostryzniuk]] 17:12, 2015 May 29 (CDT)
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| *Yes, it easy to obtain this information at the time of admission, it is 9/10 that ACP is established in ER. Do you want us to collect when a change occurs (often pt come in as a M and 24-72 hrs later, it is changed to APC -C ,or this occurs much later in the admission as well)--[[User:PStein|PStein]] 08:23, 2015 June 1 (CDT)
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| **I agree with Pat. Is this for ICU and Medicine?--[[User:CMarks|CMarks]] 13:50, 2015 June 1 (CDT)
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| ***I agree with Pat's comment. The pt would come in as ACP R & the status would be changed once discussion with family or pt took place. This usually happens 24-48 hours after admission or much later in the admission if pt status changes or the family cannot agree on the treatment plan.-- Judy K, Jun 4, 2015
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| ****At GGH ICU this is easy to obtain, I agree with Pat the ACP status often changes several times during an admission, do you want to capture these changes? or just ACP at admission and discharge? {{Discussion}}
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| *****Is this ICU only? or medicine as well?{{Discussion}}
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| ******ICU QI team has requested to collect this info. We will discuss at TASK team meeting and discuss asking Dr. Roberts for medicine.
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| *******Would this include up to the first 24 or 48 hours, or would this need to be in place before arrival? - Judy Kublick Jun 4.15.
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| ********At STB obtaining ACP is done from EPR and the changes are in the orders. It is easy to obtain.--[[User:LKolesar|LKolesar]] 11:22, 2015 June 1 (CDT)
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| *********STB CICU - Yes it is usually on the chart. Is this going to be just for ICUs.-- Lois
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| **********VIC ICU - Med: I agree that is is usually easy to obtain. I find that it is often an "R" as a default until the MD has a chance to speak more in depth with family or the patient. So yes, it does often change throughout the stay, and my concern would be that the initial ACP status is not always the most "accurate" representation. So if it changes within the first 24 to 48 hours, which one would we enter? [[User:Mlagadi|Mlagadi]] 09:05, 2015 June 2 (CDT) {{Discussion}}
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| ***********GRA-MED: not always available on admission to Medicine but is always discussed at some point in the admission; often changes during stay [[User:SCortilet|SCortilet]] 15:13, 2015 June 2 (CDT)
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| ************HSC _B3_D5: Same as Lois-usually on chart or the request is made for confirmation if not: or if the medical status on presentation is suggestive of a need for clarification or adjustment but that would require a time frame to arrange with client/family.--[[User:Llemoine|Llemoine]] 07:46, 2015 June 3 (CDT)
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| ==Questions from Collectors==
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| #''If ACP M is just written with no qualifiers then one would classify as ACP M-. Since a significant proportion of patient do want intubation but do not want CPR, I do think it is useful to distinguish)''. Kendiss.
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| #*could you clarify the above statement? If you are saying that significant proportion of pt want intubation would the status be marked as ACP M+ and not ACP M- as indicated above? Judy Kublick June 4.15
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| #**''IF ACP status is documented as NO CPR but willing to accept intubations then the patient would be ACP M+ IF ACP status is document as NO CPR and NO intubation then the patient would be ACP M- IF ACP status is just documented as ACP M OR NO CPR with other qualifiers than patient would be classified as ACP M-''.--Kendiss. June, 23.15.
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| #ACP status at what admission point?
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| #*at ER admission?
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| #*at time of arrival in unit?
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| #*status established within the first 24 or 48 hrs of arrival on unit?
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| #**''On this question, I would like further input from others..... My initial feeling is: ACP status at time of ICU admission (sometimes people are admitted with undetermined ACP status and if this is the case then first ACP status documented within the first 24 - 48 hours of ICU admission. If patient still does not have ACP status documentation within 24-48 hours then this is an important finding and should be documented as ACP not determined....)'' --Kendiss. June, 23.15.
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| #*ACP status ''changes'' during admission to unit?
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| #*ACP status at time of discharge as well?
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| #**''ACP status on '''admission and discharge''' will give lots of valuable information. Although ACP changes during admission may be interesting, I am not convinced the added information will valuable enough to justify the extra work that would be required.
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| #Is this ICU only? or medicine as well?'' --Kendiss. June 23, 15.
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| #*''would also be good thing for medicine however we need to defer to the medicine program.''
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| | == Use as [[Transfer Ready DtTm tmp entry]] == |
| | Making an Advanced Care Plan of ACP-C for a patient is one criterion for setting the [[Transfer Ready DtTm tmp entry]]. |
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| | == see also == |
| | * [https://wrha.mb.ca/advance-care-planning/ WRHA ACP-C] |
| | * PDF of ACP form used in Region (2013): [[Media:WRHA ACP form Nov 2013.pdf | WRHA Advanced Care Plan Form]] |
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| Questions sent to Kendiss Olafson for further clarification of good questions above. discussed at a Task meet, jun 11.15.[[User:TOstryzniuk|Trish Ostryzniuk]] 10:58, 2015 June 12 (CDT)
| | == Related articles == |
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| | We used to collect related info for Critical Care only in [[ACP Status collection in ICU]].}} |
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| | [[Category:ACP]] |
| [[Category:End-of-life related data]] | | [[Category:End-of-life related data]] |
| [[Category:Take to Task team meeting]]
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