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Can a patient with unresolved CAP ever be coded as HAP if ETC cultures become positive for a new bug or is it always going to be CAP?
Do you need to follow guidelines for cultures like for the VAP cultures?
Do we need to be on the same page as infection control in our coding? Mryna Dyck and the infection control nurse at the Concordia wouldn't include patients who have had CAP on admission as developing HAP.[[User:GHall|GHall]] 08:27, 2018 August 16 (CDT)
{{DiscussAllan | If a patient with CAP on admission isn't ventilated for days then has to go on a ventilator then less than 48 hour ventilated develops a positive culture(quantitive bronchoscopically obtained) and a change in respiratory status can this be called HAP? Or are you saying it's CAP the whole admission? It seems according to the VAP quidelines patients with CAP can develop VAP under the right conditions so couldn't they also get HAP? Are you saying patients with CAP can never get HAP?  
{{DiscussAllan | If a patient with CAP on admission isn't ventilated for days then has to go on a ventilator then less than 48 hour ventilated develops a positive culture(quantitive bronchoscopically obtained) and a change in respiratory status can this be called HAP? Or are you saying it's CAP the whole admission? It seems according to the VAP quidelines patients with CAP can develop VAP under the right conditions so couldn't they also get HAP? Are you saying patients with CAP can never get HAP?  



Revision as of 08:27, 2018 August 16

This page contains an ICD10 Coding Guideline for ICD10 collection. See ICD10 coding guidelines for similar pages.

Coding instructions

  • HAP, Hospital-acquired pneumonia, is a category of nosocomial pneumonia that is contracted by a non-ventilated patient after at least 48 hours of being admitted to a hospital.
  • To code HAP, you must combined coding 3 separate ICD10 codes:
  • The concept of "early onset" HAP is not an accepted one (and not one we will use), because BY DEFINITION, to be HAP the patient must have been in hospital >48 hours and THEN developed the clinical signs/symptoms of pneumonia.
  • To decide about whether a HAP (or a CAP) has occurred, requires clinical correlation.
    • For example, sputum is never sterile -- bug will always grow from it. It's even true that bronchoscopic lower respiratory samples are almost never sterile, which is why quantitative culture is used to interpet them. THUS, respiratory fluid that grows bugs cannot by itself be used to interpret the presence of pneumonia EXCEPT in the rare cases of bugs that are NEVER pathogens in the respiratory system -- that list is mainly limited to: TB, Legionella, and Pneumocystis jiroveci. Thus, a (+) sputum culture can almost never by itself be used to identify the presence of a pneumonia. Instead, it's a combination of clinical signs such as fever, leukocytosis and new (or presumed new) CXR changes that helps to figure it out. Indeed, one can diagnose CAP or VAP in the absence of a (+)sputum culture in the right situation (e.g. patient has been on antibiotics for some reason prior).

Attribution of the HAP to a Hospital Location

  • The infection is attributed to the location where the patient was on the date the infection became clinically evident -- EXCEPT if all

elements of the infection are present within the first 48 hours of arrival, the infection is attributed to the location from which they were transferred.

Alternate ICD10s to consider coding instead or in addition

Additional Info

  • If there is insufficient criteria for a Pneumonia, ventilator-associated (VAP) in ventilated patients with positive cultures, the patient may still have HAP.
  • Patients from Grace Nursing Home Ward - even though this is considered a nursing home type ward, for patients who acquire a pneumonia and meet the HAP criteria code HAP.

RE:A pt with CAP on admission

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Can a patient with unresolved CAP ever be coded as HAP if ETC cultures become positive for a new bug or is it always going to be CAP?

Do you need to follow guidelines for cultures like for the VAP cultures?

Do we need to be on the same page as infection control in our coding? Mryna Dyck and the infection control nurse at the Concordia wouldn't include patients who have had CAP on admission as developing HAP.GHall 08:27, 2018 August 16 (CDT)

Template:DiscussAllan

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