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* what should be the instruction for APACHE - the usual "enter normal if not available" or should they enter extremes or 0s, or leave blank? What will not mess with Julie's processes?

** I would rather have a missing APACHE Score when any of the APACHE elements are missing due to Lost or missing chart. Entry of zero for numeric or blank for character on any of the elements results to blank APACHE Score (but this refutes the guideline for APACHE Physiologic Not available). Normal values result to Zero APACHE Score (when age pts is zero). }}

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* When you have entered all available information, and when the [[#Deferral period has passed]], contact Pagasa and tell her the profile is a missing/lost chart

* Once Pagasa has confirmed that this is understood, delete the chart using the [[♻️ button]]

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=== Instructions for Data Processor ===

[[Category:Data Processing]]

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The Data Processor will manually set the [[RecordStatus]] for these to "Discontinued"; information on the lost chart status can be entered into the [[Notes]] field.

* Do we want a different [[RecordStatus]] for these~~? If not, should they be considered complete or incomplete?~~

** I suggest we enter a new one say, '''LostChart''', in the [[RecordStatus]] which implies incomplete and some data are missing. --[[User:JMojica|JMojica]] 13:34, 2021 April 7 (CDT)

*** Would there be any problems with reporting queries including or excluding these in unintended ways? Could happen if any use a "~~not incomplete~~" ~~or similar. I am pretty sure if we change this some CFE cross checks will show false positives for these, but those would~~ be ~~easily tweaked as we encounter them. Would there be false negatives, though?~~ [[~~User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen~~]] ~~14:15, 2021 April 7 (CDT)~~

**** do you have a query about missing entry in any fields? I can't think of any query with false negative. ~~--[[User:JMojica|JMojica]] 17:13, 2021 April 7 (CDT)}}~~

=~~= Incomplete/lost profiles =~~=

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*Pagasa, please let Tina know if these Discontinueds are falsely triggering any cross checks in CFE. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:36, 2021 June 15 (CDT)

Julie says Pagasa keeps a list of ~~records for which this applies~~. ~~Can we keep it here instead? If there are good reasons not to, can we link from here?~~

* If we change the [[RecordStatus]] to '''LostChart''' for these there will be no need for lists, just a one-time update ~~needed by Pagasa; I think that would be~~ the ~~best way~~ to ~~do this~~.

Julie says Pagasa keeps a list of old lost charts. Could you do a one-time update to set the relevant records to Discontinued in CFE and then get rid of that list.

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 * what should be the instruction for APACHE - the usual "enter normal if not available" or should they enter extremes or 0s, or leave blank? What will not mess with Julie's processes?
 ** I would rather have a missing APACHE Score when any of the APACHE elements are missing due to Lost or missing chart.  Entry of zero for numeric or blank for character on any of the elements results to blank APACHE Score  (but this refutes the guideline for APACHE Physiologic Not available).    Normal values result to Zero APACHE Score (when age pts is zero).  }}
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-| always= the following doesn't apply yet, waiting to confirm as of 2021-04-07
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 * When you have entered all available information, and when the [[#Deferral period has passed]], contact Pagasa and tell her the profile is a missing/lost chart
 * Once Pagasa has confirmed that this is understood, delete the chart using the [[♻️ button]]
-}}
 === Instructions for Data Processor ===
 [[Category:Data Processing]]
-{{Discuss |
+The Data Processor will manually set the [[RecordStatus]] for these to "Discontinued"; information on the lost chart status can be entered into the [[Notes]] field.
-* Do we want a different [[RecordStatus]] for these? If not, should they be considered complete or incomplete?
-** I suggest we enter a new one say,  '''LostChart''',  in the [[RecordStatus]] which  implies incomplete and  some data are missing. --[[User:JMojica|JMojica]] 13:34, 2021 April 7 (CDT)
-*** Would there be any problems with reporting queries including or excluding these in unintended ways? Could happen if any use a "not incomplete" or similar. I am pretty sure if we change this some CFE cross checks will show false positives for these, but those would be easily tweaked as we encounter them. Would there be false negatives, though? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:15, 2021 April 7 (CDT)
-**** do you have a query about missing entry in any fields? I can't think of any query with false negative. --[[User:JMojica|JMojica]] 17:13, 2021 April 7 (CDT)}}
-== Incomplete/lost profiles ==
+{{Discuss | who = Pagasa | question =
-{{Discuss |
+*Pagasa, please let Tina know if these Discontinueds are falsely triggering any cross checks in CFE. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:36, 2021 June 15 (CDT)
-Julie says Pagasa keeps a list of records for which this applies. Can we keep it here instead? If there are good reasons not to, can we link from here?
-* If we change the [[RecordStatus]] to '''LostChart''' for these there will be no need for lists, just a one-time update needed by Pagasa; I think that would be the best way to do this.
+Julie says Pagasa keeps a list of old lost charts. Could you do a one-time update to set the relevant records to Discontinued in CFE and then get rid of that list.
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