HSC MICU Collection Guide: Difference between revisions

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MICU is a closed unit, which means that only the MICU service is looking after the patients.

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* The following is outdated info, but I am not sure if there is anything special for MICU now, so leaving it. The up-to-date instructions for this are in [[Boarding Loc]] and [[Service tmp entry]].

~~::Due to the COVID-19 outbreak, some SICU patients are now being treated in MICU, until they are proven to be negative. See [[COVID-19 (SARS-COV-2)]]under '''Cohorting in HSC ICUs'''.~~

~~::*If they are under MICU service, enter them using '''HSC_MIC''' service location, and add '''SICU under MICU''' in the tmp file. See [[ICUotherService]].~~

~~::**Once they are transferred to SICU, make a new file with '''HSC_SIC''' service location.~~

~~::*If for some reason the patient is in MICU under SICU service, enter them using '''HSC_SIC''' service location and treat it as a [[Boarding Loc]].~~

** Lisa, is there any reason to have info on this page at all about this? Would this not actually be a [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] thing since it addresses both SI and MI? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 20:43, 2022 February 17 (CST)

*I guess technically it should be under both, as we have a separate page for SI and MI, but maybe we could have just one collection guide that addresses all sites. IICU, SI, and MI? [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 13:06, 2022 April 13 (CDT)

** Whatever is applicable to all ICUs should be in [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]]. The unit specific guides should only contain unit specific information. This was more important when we were still assigning records to laptops by unit, and someone might need to know all about a unit while covering. Keeping the distinction would be cleaner, but I can see where putting all in [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] might be easier. They are already linked to each other. However we decide to do this, keep both levels or consolidate to one page, the info I flagged should still likely be on [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]], not just on this unit page, right? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 10:44, 2022 April 21 (CDT)

** If thinking like a collector, the first place to look would be the type of patient you are looking at, eg. under MICU service but boarding in SICU, if not sure what to do, first instinct would be to look at the MICU collection guide and vice versa for a SICU patient boarding in MICU [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 09:07, 2022 April 28 (CDT)

*** So do we want to do away with the [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]], then? Because it sounds like you would not look there in any scenario. How about the [[HSC General Collection Guide]]? If we want to do away with them we would need to include all of that in each specific unit guide. So we have two questions: how do we keep this updated, and how would people use it. Might be easier to discuss in person, Lisa, can we chat about this sometime? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 11:03, 2022 May 4

* When I look at the two pages the general information on the [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] and the [[HSC General Collection Guide]] we could likely amalgamate the two as there is very little info there and really what is there is applicable to both medicine and ICU [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 12:39, 2022 August 24 (CDT)

** That's because we have the [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] type info in the individual ICU unit pages such as this one, even if it applies to all units. What is on [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] doesn't apply to medicine so it shouldn't go into [[HSC General Collection Guide]] - that one should include info that someone e.g. coming from GRA would need to know about HSC. We have never filled it in very well because there is usually lots of peer support and orientation for collectors arriving at HSC. I don't really want to get rid of that page since it links out to the other pages about HSC, it's sort of an index for those pages. And, GRA and STB info is structured like that, so I think there is benefit in keeping it consistent. But: in the end this info especially needs to be collector owned, so if the structure doesn't make sense we need to change it. But wherever this info lives we do need to make sure it isn't duplicated because it's even more likely to be fluid than a lot of our other info. Here is another thought: are we actually committed to documenting this sort of thing at all? If you are comfortable with the ad hoc onboarding that doesn't use documentation maybe we should get rid of these pages entirely. Sometimes no info is better than bad info. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:45, 2022 August 24 (CDT)

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== Rounds ==

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 MICU is a closed unit, which means that only the MICU service is looking after the patients.
-{{Discuss | who = Lisa | question =
-* The following is outdated info, but I am not sure if there is anything special for MICU now, so leaving it. The up-to-date instructions for this are in [[Boarding Loc]] and [[Service tmp entry]].
-::Due to the COVID-19 outbreak, some SICU patients are now being treated in MICU, until they are proven to be negative. See [[COVID-19 (SARS-COV-2)]]under '''Cohorting in HSC ICUs'''.
-::*If they are under MICU service, enter them using '''HSC_MIC''' service location, and add '''SICU under MICU''' in the tmp file. See [[ICUotherService]].
-::**Once they are transferred to SICU, make a new file with '''HSC_SIC''' service location.
-::*If for some reason the patient is in MICU under SICU service, enter them using '''HSC_SIC''' service location and treat it as a [[Boarding Loc]].
-** Lisa, is there any reason to have info on this page at all about this? Would this not actually be a [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] thing since it addresses both SI and MI? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 20:43, 2022 February 17 (CST)
-*I guess technically it should be under both, as we have a separate page for SI and MI, but maybe we could have just one collection guide that addresses all sites.  IICU, SI, and MI?  [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 13:06, 2022 April 13 (CDT)
-** Whatever is applicable to all ICUs should be in [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]]. The unit specific guides should only contain unit specific information. This was more important when we were still assigning records to laptops by unit, and someone might need to know all about a unit while covering. Keeping the distinction would be cleaner, but I can see where putting all in [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] might be easier. They are already linked to each other. However we decide to do this, keep both levels or consolidate to one page, the info I flagged should still likely be on [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]], not just on this unit page, right? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 10:44, 2022 April 21 (CDT)
-** If thinking like a collector, the first place to look would be the type of patient you are looking at, eg. under MICU service but boarding in SICU, if not sure what to do, first instinct would be to look at the MICU collection guide and vice versa for a SICU patient boarding in MICU [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 09:07, 2022 April 28 (CDT)
-*** So do we want to do away with the [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]], then? Because it sounds like you would not look there in any scenario. How about the [[HSC General Collection Guide]]? If we want to do away with them we would need to include all of that in each specific unit guide. So we have two questions: how do we keep this updated, and how would people use it. Might be easier to discuss in person, Lisa, can we chat about this sometime? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 11:03, 2022 May 4
-* When I look at the two pages the general information on the [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] and the [[HSC General Collection Guide]] we could likely amalgamate the two as there is very little info there and really what is there is applicable to both medicine and ICU [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 12:39, 2022 August 24 (CDT)
-** That's because we have the [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] type info in the individual ICU unit pages such as this one, even if it applies to all units. What is on [[HSC Critical Care Collection Guide]] doesn't apply to medicine so it shouldn't go into [[HSC General Collection Guide]] - that one should include info that someone e.g. coming from GRA would need to know about HSC. We have never filled it in very well because there is usually lots of peer support and orientation for collectors arriving at HSC. I don't really want to get rid of that page since it links out to the other pages about HSC, it's sort of an index for those pages. And, GRA and STB info is structured like that, so I think there is benefit in keeping it consistent. But: in the end this info especially needs to be collector owned, so if the structure doesn't make sense we need to change it. But wherever this info lives we do need to make sure it isn't duplicated because it's even more likely to be fluid than a lot of our other info. Here is another thought: are we actually committed to documenting this sort of thing at all? If you are comfortable with the ad hoc onboarding that doesn't use documentation maybe we should get rid of these pages entirely. Sometimes no info is better than bad info. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:45, 2022 August 24 (CDT)
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 == Rounds ==