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=== Value of collecting VB ===

* Most of the examples listed here are conditions that can ''cause'' violent behavior. This is well known, i.e. if there is a diagnosis of psychosis, then violent behavior should probably be expected. If something is part of a diagnosis, it should not have to be coded separately, should it? If someone has an appendectomy we would not want to code "sutures", right? So, my question is, is there value in recording VB in this case? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 16:37, 20 April 2009 (CDT)

* I agree that 2nd to dementia should not be part of the VB code (538). There are definitely other reasons for VB, ICU psychosis ( a well documented ICU complication) is one of them. I think this should be left generic without a subcode. --[[User:LKolesar|LKolesar]] 11:37, 21 September 2009 (CDT)

* I agree that ''"2nd to dementia"'' should not be part of the VB code (538). There are definitely other reasons for VB, ICU psychosis ( a well documented ICU complication) is one of them. I think this should be left generic without a subcode. --[[User:LKolesar|LKolesar]] 11:37, 21 September 2009 (CDT)

** My humble answer is yes , it is definitely NB to record VB as with your example all surgeries require some form of sutures, clips, etc however, not all of the disease and trauma's listed cause VB 100% of the time...it is an abberant occurance that requires tons of staff/time and interventions........ W. Turner(SOGH)

*** Trish, Julie: Are we actually reporting on VB in any of the ways Wendy mentions?

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 === Value of collecting VB ===
 * Most of the examples listed here are conditions that can ''cause'' violent behavior. This is well known, i.e. if there is a diagnosis of psychosis, then violent behavior should probably be expected. If something is part of a diagnosis, it should not have to be coded separately, should it? If someone has an appendectomy we would not want to code "sutures", right?  So, my question is, is there value in recording VB in this case? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 16:37, 20 April 2009 (CDT)
-* I agree that 2nd to dementia should not be part of the VB code (538).  There are definitely other reasons for VB,  ICU psychosis ( a well documented ICU complication) is one of them.  I think this should be left generic without a subcode.  --[[User:LKolesar|LKolesar]] 11:37, 21 September 2009 (CDT)
+* I agree that ''"2nd to dementia"'' should not be part of the VB code (538).  There are definitely other reasons for VB,  ICU psychosis ( a well documented ICU complication) is one of them.  I think this should be left generic without a subcode.  --[[User:LKolesar|LKolesar]] 11:37, 21 September 2009 (CDT)
 ** My humble answer is yes , it is definitely NB to record VB as with your example all surgeries require some form of sutures, clips, etc however, not all of the disease and trauma's listed cause VB 100% of the time...it is an abberant occurance that requires tons of staff/time and interventions........ W. Turner(SOGH)
 *** Trish, Julie: Are we actually reporting on VB in any of the ways Wendy mentions?