2020-10 EMIP changes: Difference between revisions

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** this means that if the patient is later moved to a unit we collect (ie turns out to not be an EMIP after all), you can just enter that next location as an additional Boarding Loc entry, with that one having the same Boarding Loc Dt Tm as our [[Arrive DtTm]]

{{Discuss| For those that do move to a unit where we collect can we not just take out all the tmp boarding entries and just treat it as a regular admission? i.e. have an accept and arrive time to the home unit location, is there a reason why we need all the tmp boarding entries in these cases? [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 07:40, 2020 October 9 (CDT) }}

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* For those that do move to a unit where we collect can we not just take out all the tmp boarding entries and just treat it as a regular admission? i.e. have an accept and arrive time to the home unit location, is there a reason why we need all the tmp boarding entries in these cases? [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 07:40, 2020 October 9 (CDT)

** I agree with Lisa. if the physical locations of patient are ER followed by home unit location, the accept and arrive date time will imply the corresponding arrival at ER and arrival at home unit. the tmp boarding is the default no borrow.

*** now for EMIP. the accept datetime is the same as arrive datetime. but these same dates also happen in NON_EMIP. so how will I identify the EMIP's in the new rule - there must be an entry ER in the boarding loc. OR Option2, no more entry ER in the boarding loc, we keep the ACCEPT datetime the same definition but the ARRIVE datetime is DISPO datetime - since actually there was no arrival in the home unit. I think I like Option2. -- (Julie)

**** I am not quite following your thinking for option 2. I was proposing that if they are NOT an EMIP there should be nothing in the TMP for them. But if they are an EMIP then we leave as per the current instructions which is to put the home unit location for the service admitting and in the tmp put the ER boarding accept date and time. To have arrive date and time the same as the disposition time does not make sense to me. What other other nonEMIP cases are there where the accept and arrival time are the same? (Lisa)

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 ** this means that if the patient is later moved to a unit we collect (ie turns out to not be an EMIP after all), you can just enter that next location as an additional Boarding Loc entry, with that one having the same Boarding Loc Dt Tm as our [[Arrive DtTm]]
-{{Discuss| For those that do move to a unit where we collect can we not just take out all the tmp boarding entries and just treat it as a regular admission?  i.e. have an accept and arrive time to the home unit location, is there a reason why we need all the tmp boarding entries in these cases? [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 07:40, 2020 October 9 (CDT) }}
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+* For those that do move to a unit where we collect can we not just take out all the tmp boarding entries and just treat it as a regular admission?  i.e. have an accept and arrive time to the home unit location, is there a reason why we need all the tmp boarding entries in these cases? [[User:Lkaita|Lisa Kaita]] 07:40, 2020 October 9 (CDT)
+** I agree with Lisa. if the physical locations of patient are ER followed by home unit location, the accept and arrive date time will imply the corresponding arrival at ER and arrival at home unit.  the tmp boarding  is the default no borrow.
+*** now for EMIP.  the accept datetime is the same as arrive datetime.  but these same dates also happen in NON_EMIP.  so how will I identify the EMIP's in the new rule - there must be an entry ER in the boarding loc.  OR Option2,   no more  entry ER in the boarding loc, we keep the ACCEPT datetime the same definition but the  ARRIVE datetime is DISPO datetime - since actually there was no arrival in the home unit.  I think I like Option2.   -- (Julie)
+****  I am not quite following your thinking for option 2.  I was proposing that if they are NOT an EMIP there should be nothing in the TMP for them.  But if they are an EMIP then we leave as per the current instructions which is to put the home unit location for the service admitting and in the tmp put the ER  boarding accept date and time.  To have arrive date and time the same as the disposition time does not make sense to me.  What other other nonEMIP cases are there where the accept and arrival time are the same? (Lisa)
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