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== Additional Info ==
== Additional Info ==
*COPD refers to a group of lung disorders which have similar clinical presentation and course but different histopathological appearances (i.e. how they look under the microscope).  Primarily COPD is a combination of "pulmonary emphysema" and "chronic bronchitis", with many or most patients having histopathological characteristics of both.
*COPD refers to a group of lung disorders which have similar clinical presentation and course but different histopathological appearances (i.e. how they look under the microscope).  Primarily COPD is a combination of "pulmonary emphysema" and "chronic bronchitis", with many or most patients having histopathological characteristics of both.
*A potentially BIG source confusion is that the "Chronic bronchitis" that is a form of COPD is '''DIFFERENT''' from '''[[Bronchitis, chronic, infectious or noninfectious]]'''.   
*A potentially BIG source of confusion is that the "Chronic bronchitis" which is a form of COPD, is '''DIFFERENT''' from '''[[Bronchitis, chronic, infectious or noninfectious]]'''.   
**Part of the reason this is confusing is that sometimes clinicians use "Chronic bronchitis" and "COPD" interchangeably if the patient is the so-called "blue bloater" phenotype of COPD.
**Part of the reason for this confusion is that sometimes clinicians use "Chronic bronchitis" and "COPD" interchangeably if a patient is the so-called "blue bloater" phenotype of COPD.
**So, if your patient just has the chronic bronchitis form of COPD (with or without exacerbation) use '''[[COPD, without exacerbation]]''' or '''[[COPD, acute exacerbation]]'''.
**use '''[[COPD, without exacerbation]]''' or '''[[COPD, acute exacerbation]]''' if a diagnosis is chronic bronchitis and there is a  PRESENCE of COPD.
**On the other hand, use '''[[Bronchitis, chronic, infectious or noninfectious]]''' if they have it in the ABSENCE of COPD.  
**use '''[[Bronchitis, chronic, infectious or noninfectious]]''' if there is an ABSENCE of COPD.  


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*J44.8 why would we include this code for a Dx of '''emphysema''' when there is already a very specific code and show below J43.9?  also, why would [[Bronchitis]] need this code also, as we already have it mapped to 3 other options in IDC10? I do not see how collectors will be able to be consistent with all these double coding options.  
*J44.8 why would we include this code for a Dx of '''emphysema''' when there is already a very specific code and show below J43.9?  also, why would [[Bronchitis]] need this code also, as we already have it mapped to 3 other options in IDC10? I do not see how collectors will be able to be consistent with all these double coding options.  
** AG REPLY --- see my edits of this page and of [[Bronchitis, chronic, infectious or noninfectious]]
** AG REPLY --- see my edits of this page and of [[Bronchitis, chronic, infectious or noninfectious]]
*** emailed Trish to confirm this addresses her question. }}
*** emailed Trish to confirm this addresses her question.
****thank you for the response.  The issue will still be if clinicians are not clear on a chart as you pointed out,  then collectors will not be able to acertain what is correct. }}


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Revision as of 19:18, 26 April 2018

ICD10 Diagnosis
Dx: COPD, without exacerbation
ICD10 code: J44.8
Pre-ICD10 counterpart: none assigned
Charlson/ALERT Scale: none
APACHE Como Component: none
APACHE Acute Component: none
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  • COPD refers to a group of lung disorders which have similar clinical presentation and course but different histopathological appearances (i.e. how they look under the microscope). Primarily COPD is a combination of "pulmonary emphysema" and "chronic bronchitis", with many or most patients having histopathological characteristics of both.
  • A potentially BIG source of confusion is that the "Chronic bronchitis" which is a form of COPD, is DIFFERENT from Bronchitis, chronic, infectious or noninfectious.

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