Proposed Notes field default: Difference between revisions

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~~{{Discuss | who=all | question = Proposed Notes field default changes. Discussion continues until no one has commented for 7 days; at that point wherever this~~ page ~~settles becomes the new default.}}~~

This page is used to discuss what default content for the [[Notes field]] works best to help collectors keep track of collection status of a given patient, in a manner that is somewhat consistent between collectors, to help when people have to cover for each other.

~~We are thinking about changing the~~ default for the [[Notes field]] ~~(ie what is~~ in ~~there when~~ a ~~new patient record~~ is ~~first created). The idea is that we would like~~ to ~~make it as easy as possible for as many as possible of you to update this field with where you left off collection.~~

*Because we have ~~a lot of cross coverage, we require ALL staff~~ to ~~be consistent in they way they document where they left off~~ for each ~~patient. thanks for your input here~~.

You will still be able to add any other stuff to the notes field as you might find useful.

~~Here is what we are currently proposing~~, please ~~put in your suggestion of~~ tweaks

I have implemented the following, please discuss here if we need further tweaks.

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pharm - (mm dd HH:mm)

CCI - (mm dd HH:mm) (ie.picklist/components)

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~~== Discussion ==~~

~~{{Discussion}}~~

* The initial proposal was to use a date format "(mm/dd)" (ie (24/10)); I find that problematic because we don't use that format elsewhere and using an all number format is ambiguous; that's why I changed it to dd mmm (ie 24 Oct) which will always be clear

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* Obviously you can't make both ICU and medicine collectors happy. Why not just let us do our own thing. We have managed fine till now and it does not take very long to type in what we want. --[[User:LBilesky|LBilesky]] 14:10, 2018 October 26 (CDT)

** Tsk. I always try to make both medicine and CC happy, and it's far from obvious that it can't be done. Well, except maybe that it is impossible to make some people happy, period, but I don't really want to think that way :-). Doing your own thing means whoever has to cover doesn't know what's going on. The question comes up again and again, so other collectors are finding this an issue. Have you done much vacation coverage for others lately? That's where this seems to come up... Ttenbergen 23:18, 2018 October 29 (CDT)

* I am trying to set the ''default'', but what is edited after that would be pretty flexible. So, I could put the TISS line first if that helps the ICU folks. Since that line would not be required by Medicine, they could just delete it, which would then put the general date at the top (where it would show without opening notes). Would that work for everyone?

* Just a suggestion: instead of "read to" and "tiss checked to" use "r/v" and "tiss" (along with the date and time entry) these words alone should suffice and it leaves more room in the first line for other important entries that are specific to the patient. Also,if possible, can you put the pharm and labs entries on a second line? --[[User:LKolesar|LKolesar]] 07:42, 2018 October 31 (CDT)

*It is hard to standardize this across all collection areas and everyone's preferences, so I think making a default with all the above options is a good place to start. If the default can be customized (ex. some items can be deleted, or rearranged in a different order) than that would accommodate the individual needs of collectors. The idea is to create an efficient way to indicate where we've left off, because this will not be as obvious when we transition ICD10/CCI collection. We discussed this in our office and I 'tweaked" the above proposal again. Con also indicated that it is helpful to have the date written as (mm/dd) for sorting purposes on the main page. Can the date be customized as well?--[[User:Jvelasco|Jvelasco]] 13:47, 2018 October 31 (CDT)

== Log ==

* 2018-11-08 - implemented as

<pre>

(mm dd HH:mm) - r/v

tiss - (mm dd HH:mm)

pharm - (mm dd HH:mm)

CCI - (mm dd HH:mm) (ie.picklist/components)

</pre>

== Related articles ==

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-{{Discuss | who=all | question = Proposed Notes field default changes. Discussion continues until no one has commented for 7 days; at that point wherever this page settles becomes the new default.}}
+This page is used to discuss what default content for the [[Notes field]] works best to help collectors keep track of collection status of a given patient, in a manner that is somewhat consistent between collectors, to help when people have to cover for each other.
-We are thinking about changing the default for the [[Notes field]] (ie what is in there when a new patient record is first created). The idea is that we would like to make it as easy as possible for as many as possible of you to update this field with where you left off collection.
-*Because we have a lot of cross coverage, we require ALL staff to be consistent in they way they document where they left off for each patient. thanks for your input here.
 You will still be able to add any other stuff to the notes field as you might find useful.
-Here is what we are currently proposing, please put in your suggestion of tweaks
+I have implemented the following, please discuss here if we need further tweaks.
 <pre>
@@ Line 13: / Line 10: @@
 pharm - (mm dd HH:mm)
 CCI - (mm dd HH:mm) (ie.picklist/components)
 </pre>
-== Discussion ==
-{{Discussion}}
-* The initial proposal was to use a date format "(mm/dd)" (ie (24/10)); I find that problematic because we don't use that format elsewhere and using an all number format is ambiguous; that's why I changed it to dd mmm (ie 24 Oct) which will always be clear
 === Order of Items ===
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 * Obviously you can't make both ICU and medicine collectors happy. Why not just let us do our own thing. We have managed fine till now and it does not take very long to type in what we want. --[[User:LBilesky|LBilesky]] 14:10, 2018 October 26 (CDT)
 ** Tsk. I always try to make both medicine and CC happy, and it's far from obvious that it can't be done. Well, except maybe that it is impossible to make some people happy, period, but I don't really want to think that way :-). Doing your own thing means whoever has to cover doesn't know what's going on. The question comes up again and again, so other collectors are finding this an issue. Have you done much vacation coverage for others lately? That's where this seems to come up... Ttenbergen 23:18, 2018 October 29 (CDT)
 * I am trying to set the ''default'', but what is edited after that would be pretty flexible. So, I could put the TISS line first if that helps the ICU folks. Since that line would not be required by Medicine, they could just delete it, which would then put the general date at the top (where it would show without opening notes). Would that work for everyone?
 * Just a suggestion:  instead of "read to" and "tiss checked to" use "r/v" and "tiss" (along with the date and time entry) these words alone should suffice and it leaves more room in the first line for other important entries that are specific to the patient. Also,if possible, can you put the pharm and labs entries on a second line? --[[User:LKolesar|LKolesar]] 07:42, 2018 October 31 (CDT)
 *It is hard to standardize this across all collection areas and everyone's preferences, so I think making a default with all the above options is a good place to start. If the default can be customized (ex. some items can be deleted, or rearranged in a different order) than that would accommodate the individual needs of collectors. The idea is to create an efficient way to indicate where we've left off, because this will not be as obvious when we transition ICD10/CCI collection. We discussed this in our office and I 'tweaked" the above proposal again. Con also indicated that it is helpful to have the date written as (mm/dd) for sorting purposes on the main page. Can the date be customized as well?--[[User:Jvelasco|Jvelasco]] 13:47, 2018 October 31 (CDT)
+== Log ==
+* 2018-11-08 - implemented as
+<pre>
+(mm dd HH:mm) - r/v
+tiss - (mm dd HH:mm)
+pharm - (mm dd HH:mm)
+CCI - (mm dd HH:mm) (ie.picklist/components)
+</pre>
+== Related articles ==
+{{Related Articles}}