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* Absolutely agreed, Julie. But there is also an element of us reporting info different than maybe what other, EPR based reports would show. [[#"Swing beds" at STB]] shows the list of swing bed locations that show up in the Cognos data. They all are associated by name and data to the ward locations. So anyone generating data from EPR/Cognos would associate these with the units, not the previous location. We would be the only place associating them with still being in the ER. I just reviewed the raw Cognos data, and we get the bed, but not the bed start and end dttm. If we could get that we would be able to figure out what percentage of total LOS is affected by this, but it probably has the biggest impact on ER wait times

** in the example I gave above, yes the er wait time is what would be affected. [[User:DPageNewton|DPageNewton]] 10:59, 2020 December 3 (CST)

It sounds like anyone just looking at Cognos data would underestimate that time because pts look like they are on unit already. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 09:56, 2020 December 3 (CST)

***It sounds like anyone just looking at Cognos data would underestimate that time because pts look like they are on unit already. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 09:56, 2020 December 3 (CST)

*** I've spoken with the ward clerks on E5 on more than one occasion, and have been told, that when there is a swing bed entry for example, between an er location, and a ward location, the patient is still physically in the er, and has not been transferred up to the ward. e.g. #2-if the swing bed location is between say, E5, and another usual ward or unit location, then the patient is still physically on E5. In this example the los for E5 would be affected. I think that this is a concept that is not so easy to explain in words, especially if you're not particularly familiar with the ins and outs of epr. [[User:DPageNewton|DPageNewton]] 10:59, 2020 December 3 (CST)

**** I've spoken with the ward clerks on E5 on more than one occasion, and have been told, that when there is a swing bed entry for example, between an er location, and a ward location, the patient is still physically in the er, and has not been transferred up to the ward. e.g. #2-if the swing bed location is between say, E5, and another usual ward or unit location, then the patient is still physically on E5. In this example the los for E5 would be affected. I think that this is a concept that is not so easy to explain in words, especially if you're not particularly familiar with the ins and outs of epr. [[User:DPageNewton|DPageNewton]] 10:59, 2020 December 3 (CST)

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The use of swap or swing locations makes it hard to follow patients in [[Cognos Report Integrator]], so we need to find out more about how these are used.

=== Swing beds in [[Cognos EPR Report]] ===

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 * Absolutely agreed, Julie. But there is also an element of us reporting info different than maybe what other, EPR based reports would show. [[#"Swing beds" at STB]] shows the list of swing bed locations that show up in the Cognos data. They all are associated by name and data to the ward locations. So anyone generating data from EPR/Cognos would associate these with the units, not the previous location. We would be the only place associating them with still being in the ER. I just reviewed the raw Cognos data, and we get the bed, but not the bed start and end dttm. If we could get that we would be able to figure out what percentage of total LOS is affected by this, but it probably has the biggest impact on ER wait times
 ** in the example I gave above, yes the er wait time is what would be affected. [[User:DPageNewton|DPageNewton]] 10:59, 2020 December 3 (CST)
-It sounds like anyone just looking at Cognos data would underestimate that time because pts look like they are on unit already. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 09:56, 2020 December 3 (CST)
+***It sounds like anyone just looking at Cognos data would underestimate that time because pts look like they are on unit already. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 09:56, 2020 December 3 (CST)
-*** I've spoken with the ward clerks on E5 on more than one occasion, and have been told, that when there is a swing bed entry for example, between an er location, and a ward location, the patient is still physically in the er, and has not been transferred up to the ward. e.g. #2-if the swing bed location is between say, E5, and another usual ward or unit location, then the patient is still physically on E5. In this example the los for E5 would be affected. I think that this is a concept that is not so easy to explain in words, especially if you're not particularly familiar with the ins and outs of epr. [[User:DPageNewton|DPageNewton]] 10:59, 2020 December 3 (CST)
+**** I've spoken with the ward clerks on E5 on more than one occasion, and have been told, that when there is a swing bed entry for example, between an er location, and a ward location, the patient is still physically in the er, and has not been transferred up to the ward. e.g. #2-if the swing bed location is between say, E5, and another usual ward or unit location, then the patient is still physically on E5. In this example the los for E5 would be affected. I think that this is a concept that is not so easy to explain in words, especially if you're not particularly familiar with the ins and outs of epr. [[User:DPageNewton|DPageNewton]] 10:59, 2020 December 3 (CST)
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 The use of swap or swing locations makes it hard to follow patients in [[Cognos Report Integrator]], so we need to find out more about how these are used.
 === Swing beds in [[Cognos EPR Report]] ===