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This page explains how we use culture reports to confirm infections and pathogens.  
This page explains how we use culture reports to confirm infections and pathogens.  


== under what circumstances to code a pathogen ==
== Additional Information ==
[[Pathogens]] should only be coded if they have been lab confirmed. {{discussion}} is that true? how about suspected and treated...? Ttenbergen 00:29, 2017 December 4 (CST)
*This is about identification of a clinical infection.
**For disorders believed to be infectious, we have a list of pathogens, and if the pathogen is never identified then you can use '''[[Infectious organism, unknown]]'''.
*Even if you do identify one or more organisms that are '''''potential''''' pathogens, usually it requires clinical correlation to decide whether it/they are actually pathogenic in this patient
**There are very few bugs that are always pathogenic (i.e. causing an infectious disease) -- high on this list is M.Tb. and Legionella. Even organisms like Aspergillis can be colonizers.
**Thus identifying whether a ''potential'' pathogen is in fact acting as a pathogen in a given patient requires clinical correlation.
*Having said that:
**While it is strongest to have a lab sample (fluid or tissue) from which the organism has been cultured, there are circumstances where this isn't necessary, e.g. '''[[Infection with implied pathogen]]'''
**Even a lab identification may not be from culturing -- e.g. there are monoclonal antibody and other non-culture methods such as antigen identification (e.g. Legionella urinary antigen) that can identify the presence of a bug
*The question arises of whether when you do NOT have any sort of lab identification of a bug, whether clinical suspicion is enough to "call it":
**Again, the answer is generally "Yes" with '''[[Infection with implied pathogen]]''', and generally "No" elsewise -- deviating from these generalities can be done if you've got an excellent, scientific rationale.


== How long to wait for a result ==
How and when infections are identified is relevant to [[Attribution of infections]].
Follow up all culture reports '''up to 5 days after discharge from unit'''. If pathogen is still not available then, enter {{discussion}} what will we enter in ICD10, [[Infectious disease NOS OR for buglist organism NOS]]? [[Not an Infection (ICD10 pathogen alternative)]]? Something different yet? Ttenbergen 00:29, 2017 December 4 (CST)


Waiting for lab microbiology results:(5 days usual for blood cultures, 2 week for Cadham)
== Related articles ==
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[[Category:Infectious disease| *]]
{{discussion}} need to enter outcome from [[Task Team Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes]]
 
== Does the lab complete checkbox mean this is complete? ==
It does not. All collectors use them differently. And at this point labs are not even counted in there, so it is most likely used as a "I have finished counting images and blood products"
 
== Cross-checks ==
See [[Pathogens|CCDMB Data Integrity Checks (needs review)]].
 
 
[[Category:Infectious disease|*]]

Latest revision as of 13:27, 21 July 2021

This page explains how we use culture reports to confirm infections and pathogens.

Additional Information

  • This is about identification of a clinical infection.
    • For disorders believed to be infectious, we have a list of pathogens, and if the pathogen is never identified then you can use Infectious organism, unknown.
  • Even if you do identify one or more organisms that are potential pathogens, usually it requires clinical correlation to decide whether it/they are actually pathogenic in this patient
    • There are very few bugs that are always pathogenic (i.e. causing an infectious disease) -- high on this list is M.Tb. and Legionella. Even organisms like Aspergillis can be colonizers.
    • Thus identifying whether a potential pathogen is in fact acting as a pathogen in a given patient requires clinical correlation.
  • Having said that:
    • While it is strongest to have a lab sample (fluid or tissue) from which the organism has been cultured, there are circumstances where this isn't necessary, e.g. Infection with implied pathogen
    • Even a lab identification may not be from culturing -- e.g. there are monoclonal antibody and other non-culture methods such as antigen identification (e.g. Legionella urinary antigen) that can identify the presence of a bug
  • The question arises of whether when you do NOT have any sort of lab identification of a bug, whether clinical suspicion is enough to "call it":
    • Again, the answer is generally "Yes" with Infection with implied pathogen, and generally "No" elsewise -- deviating from these generalities can be done if you've got an excellent, scientific rationale.

How and when infections are identified is relevant to Attribution of infections.

Related articles

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