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* only consider initial intent per record (see [[#Changes within an ICU service admission]])
* only consider initial intent per record (see [[#Changes within an ICU service admission]])
* apply a new consideration for each new record (see [[#Changes between successive ICU service admissions]])
* apply a new consideration for each new record (see [[#Changes between successive ICU service admissions]])
=== Things to resolve ===
{{Discuss|
Things we need to resolve:
* We need to review anything that links to [[ICUotherService]], and anything that page lists to. The "anything that links there" can be accessed by expanding the "related articles (expand)" at the bottom of [[ICUotherService]]. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 10:59, 25 September 2025 (CDT)
** I have reviewed the links to [[ICUotherService]] and changed what needs changing. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 15:05, 26 September 2025 (CDT)
== Data collection ==


=== Data Entry Instructions ===
=== Data Entry Instructions ===
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=== Terminology for services inconsistent with [[EPR]] ===
=== Terminology for services inconsistent with [[EPR]] ===
*We recognize that the drop-downs we chose are different from the standardized terms in [[EPR]]; it was decided that this is OK because the perception is that our terms are what leadership actually wants
*We recognize that the drop-downs we chose are different from the standardized terms in [[EPR]]; it was decided that this is OK because the perception is that our terms are what leadership actually wants
{{Discuss | JALT
* [[JALT Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes 2025#JALT 2025-12-18 | 2025-12-18 JALT]] - We may want to discuss the discrepancy of our naming and its implications with the recipients of our reports and possibly the team that reports similar out of EPR. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
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== Left to resolve ==
== Left to resolve ==
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* There is a question that may be related to this on [[ICUotherService]] for you, could you have a look? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
* There is a question that may be related to this on [[ICUotherService]] for you, could you have a look? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
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* [[JALT Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes 2025#JALT 2025-12-18 | 2025-12-18 JALT]] - We may want to discuss the discrepancy of our naming and its implications with the recipients of our reports and possibly the team that reports similar out of EPR. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
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* Can these entries only be at the same site as the record (eg would "Gra ICU" be a legit entry for a patient at HSC MICU)? If only same siet that may be a relevant cross-check.  
{{Discuss |
* Can these only be at the same site as the record? If so that may be a relevant cross-check.  
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{{DJ |
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* We need to confirm that the change is properly indexed and contextualized on [[2025-05 Revision of concept around ICUotherService]].
* We need to confirm that the change is properly linked and contextualized on [[2025-05 Revision of concept around ICUotherService]] (one of the [[Change Explainer Pages]]) to allow a user of our data to reconstruct a continuous conceptual timeline. Someone other than me should review that page to confirm that the change is explained fully enough to make sense of the before and after data [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
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=== can be safely left until later ===
{{DJ |
* [[JALT Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes 2025#JALT 2025-12-18 | 2025-12-18 JALT]] - the decision actually also talked about [[Service/Location]] being made the same; did we decide to proceed with this? [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
 
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* We need to move the change-related parts of what Allan wrote here to [[2025-05 Revision of concept around ICUotherService]] to keep this page on target and keep the explanation in one place. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 15:05, 26 September 2025 (CDT)
** I moved the information that was on this page that explained the why and how of changing from [[ICUotherService]] to this to its own page, one of the [[Change Explainer Pages]]: [[2025-05 Revision of concept around ICUotherService]]. This is to document the transition and its consequences once. Someone other than me should review that page to confirm that the change is explained fully enough to make sense of the before and after data [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
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==== resolved ====
==== resolved ====
* just for tracking
* just for tracking
** TT reviewed "what links here" for [[ICUotherService]]
** TT reviewed and resolved "what links here" for [[ICUotherService]]


== Data Use ==
== Data Use ==

Revision as of 03:44, 24 December 2025

Projects
Active?: planned
Program: CC
Requestor: Bojan Paunovic
Collection start:
Collection end:
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  • This project is not live yet, do not follow the instructions to stop the old collection yet
  • Planned go-live is 2025-01-01
  • For now, continue to use the instructions in ICUotherService

Data Collection Instructions

When to code

  • Collect this if the initial service, as encoded in Service/Location for records under the Definition of a Critical Care Program Admission, is not the service the patient "should" have been on
  • No consistency or "not applicable" entry is required when applicable
  • Reconsider this for each new ICU record for the same patient

Changes during the ICU stay

Data Entry Instructions

  • Use tmp fields:
  • Project: Intended1stSrvc
  • Item: one of (HSC-MICU, HSC-SICU, HSC-IICU, STB-MICU, STB-CICU, STB-ACCU, GH-CC)
  • all other fields are not used for this project


Data Integrity Checks (automatic list)

none found

Background

  • Usually Boarding Loc and Service/Location fully explain a patient's admission's impact on bed capacity; Service tmp entry contents from Cognos2 do not actually contain data that is relevant for our use
  • When demand exceeds capacity a patient may end up cared for by a different critical care service than the one they would have usually been assigned to.
  • Without an additional signal, it would appear as if the capacity was sized right and accommodated the load, when really the sending service was over capacity, and the receiving service had (possibly excess) capacity to absorb the admission.
  • This project encodes when the ICU service a patient is actually on (as encoded in Service/Location: MICU, SICU, IICU, ICMS, CICU, Grace ICU) is different from the service the patient should be on.
Example:   
    • e.g. patient admitted from ED ventilated with severe pneumonia, should go to MICU but it is full, so goes to SICU and is taken care of by the SICU service. Here Service/Location is SICU and Intended1stSrvc is MICU
    • e.g. patient in ED at Grace and should go to Grace ICU but it's full, so goes to HSC MICU. Here Service/Location is MICU and Intended1stSrvc is Grace ICU. This example shows that the Intended1stSrvc can be at a different hospital altogether.

Possible Responsibility/Location Scenarios

Group Service should be on Actual service Actual location Meaning
A mine mine my ICU my natural patients
B mine mine different ICU my boarders elsewhere
C different different my ICU somebody else's boarders in my ICU
D mine different different my "double boarders" elsewhere
E different mine my ICU somebody else's "double boarders" in my ICU

Changes within an ICU service admission

  • As per Definition of a Critical Care Program Admission the same ICU profile (record) is maintained if a patient changes Boarding Loc while remaining under the care of the same service
  • It is possible that the notion who "should" have cared for the patient changes over the course of the admission
  • Sometimes such a change might be clear-cut (e.g. due to occurrence of a surgical procedure) but other times the fact that the service the patient should be on changes is just within the heads of the attending physicians.
  • The notion may not have been recorded at all, and would be hard to abstract from charts consistently even if it was implied
  • Adding the ability to maintain multiple entries for this relatively rare event would significantly increase reporting complexity
  • We explicitly decided NOT to try and track the service a patient should be on as time goes by, but only upon initiation of an ICU profile, which is why this variable is called "Intended1stSrvc"
Example:   
  • Patient with acute MI admitted via ED. He should have been under the ACCU service in ACCU but ACCU was full. So he was admitted to ICMS instead under the ICMS Service. Thus here Intended1stSrvc = ACCU.
  • If the patient was initially on a service they should not have been on, and is then changes status such that the present service is the intended one, there is no change in service (so no new record), and the initial status for the record as Intended1stSrvc stays.
Example:   
 Intended1stSrvc is STB ICSM taken care by ACCU service (May 24,2023 13:17) boarding at ACCU bed , then by May 26,2023 15:40 became an ACCU patient taken care by ACCU in same ACCU bed until discharge to ward June 5,2023 16:22. 

Changes between successive ICU service admissions

Terminology for services inconsistent with EPR

  • We recognize that the drop-downs we chose are different from the standardized terms in EPR; it was decided that this is OK because the perception is that our terms are what leadership actually wants
JALT
  • 2025-12-18 JALT - We may want to discuss the discrepancy of our naming and its implications with the recipients of our reports and possibly the team that reports similar out of EPR. Ttenbergen 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
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Left to resolve

need to resolve before we can start collecting

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can be left until later but may complicate analysis or degrade data

  • There is a question that may be related to this on ICUotherService for you, could you have a look? Ttenbergen 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
  • SMW


  • Cargo


  • Categories
JALT
  • Can these entries only be at the same site as the record (eg would "Gra ICU" be a legit entry for a patient at HSC MICU)? If only same siet that may be a relevant cross-check.
  • SMW


  • Cargo


  • Categories


  • We need to confirm that the change is properly linked and contextualized on 2025-05 Revision of concept around ICUotherService (one of the Change Explainer Pages) to allow a user of our data to reconstruct a continuous conceptual timeline. Someone other than me should review that page to confirm that the change is explained fully enough to make sense of the before and after data Ttenbergen 14:44, 23 December 2025 (CST)
  • SMW


  • Cargo


  • Categories

resolved

  • just for tracking

Data Use

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