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=== What if the pt ends up transferred to a higher level of care ===

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'''The original {{PAGENAME}} does not change. We want the first one one only.'''

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It might '''seem''' that a patient who was transfer ready but then moves to a higher level of care should be excluded, since they did not actually get transferred to a lower level of care. However, when the patient was deemed transfer ready, additional time in the ward was "wasted time" - if we could have sent them elsewhere we would have. If the patient later crashes, that doesn't make it not-wasted time - they could have crashed anywhere. So the interpretation that a pt moving to a higher level of care after transfer ready is not wasted time is not right. We discussed this repeatedly at task and steering meetings. The only way this makes sense is if it is done by intent.

* It might '''seem''' that a patient who was transfer ready but then moves to a higher level of care should be excluded, since they did not actually get transferred to a lower level of care. However, when the patient was deemed transfer ready, additional time in the ward was "wasted time" - if we could have sent them elsewhere we would have. If the patient later crashes, that doesn't make it not-wasted time - they could have crashed anywhere. So the interpretation that a pt moving to a higher level of care after transfer ready is not wasted time is not right. We discussed this repeatedly at task and steering meetings. The only way this makes sense is if it is done by intent.

After discussion with medicine, Allan reported back that they want the '''first medically stable'' only ([[Task Team Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes 2021#ICU Database Task Group Meeting – June 15, 2021]]).

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* What should happen if pt actually moves to a higher level of care? For example, a medicine patient transfer to ICU or a medicine patient transfer to an OR without a return to medicine? Allan is taking this question to Nick Hajadiacos/Paddy Griffin/Ebi Renner as of [[Task Team Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes 2021#ICU Database Task Group Meeting – June 15, 2021]].

** No reply as of 2021-07-08, Allan will email again. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 11:06, 2021 July 8 (CDT)}}

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-It might '''seem''' that a patient who was transfer ready but then moves to a higher level of care should be excluded, since they did not actually get transferred to a lower level of care. However, when the patient was deemed transfer ready, additional time in the ward was "wasted time" - if we could have sent them elsewhere we would have. If the patient later crashes, that doesn't make it not-wasted time - they could have crashed anywhere. So the interpretation that a pt moving to a higher level of care after transfer ready is not wasted time is not right. We discussed this repeatedly at task and steering meetings. The only way this makes sense is if it is done by intent.
+* It might '''seem''' that a patient who was transfer ready but then moves to a higher level of care should be excluded, since they did not actually get transferred to a lower level of care. However, when the patient was deemed transfer ready, additional time in the ward was "wasted time" - if we could have sent them elsewhere we would have. If the patient later crashes, that doesn't make it not-wasted time - they could have crashed anywhere. So the interpretation that a pt moving to a higher level of care after transfer ready is not wasted time is not right. We discussed this repeatedly at task and steering meetings. The only way this makes sense is if it is done by intent.
+After discussion with medicine, Allan reported back that they want the '''first medically stable'' only ([[Task Team Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes 2021#ICU Database Task Group Meeting – June 15, 2021]]).
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-* What should happen if pt actually moves to a higher level of care? For example, a medicine patient transfer to ICU or a medicine patient transfer to an OR without a return to medicine? Allan is taking this question to Nick Hajadiacos/Paddy Griffin/Ebi Renner as of [[Task Team Meeting - Rolling Agenda and Minutes 2021#ICU Database Task Group Meeting – June 15, 2021]].
-** No reply as of 2021-07-08, Allan will email again. [[User:Ttenbergen|Ttenbergen]] 11:06, 2021 July 8 (CDT)}}
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